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Post by Muleskinner on Feb 28, 2012 13:05:35 GMT -8
We in here in the Pacific Northwest as well as back east are very familiar with the term Shay geared Lokie which made its mark as the best logging engine of the steam era. With its side valve gearing the lokie could negotiate the tight corners and steep grades which would hog down a normal side rod lokie of the time. It was a very recognizable engine with its vertical three valve drive which connected to drive shafts which drove the wheels of the trucks on which it rode. The boiler was also off set to the left of the engine to accommodate this type of setup and was the only steam type Lokie built in the US in this configuration. See Picture below. But if you are anything like me and have a nose for a lot of research, have you ever wondered about what the original first unit might have looked like when it was in the experimental stage? I was going through some old logging magazines from way back and LO and BEHOLD what did I find but the original Shay built by Ephraim Shay in the shop behind his house in Harbor Springs, Michigan, in 1888. It was called "BABY" and ran on thirty inch Gage track with the original Vertical boiler set up and gear drive. It was much smaller than the engines in the Shay Line most of us are familiar with but still had the power to pull a sizable buggy train of logs. With that in mind I am posting those pictures which I found below. They are kind of grainy because of the Glass negatives they were taken on but you can see the details of the drive system and the size of the engine as compared to the one in the top photo.
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Post by Ryan Rønning on Feb 28, 2012 16:54:32 GMT -8
Good history lesson. I have seen a few of these in Museums and they are very cool.
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Post by slurrydog on Feb 28, 2012 20:51:09 GMT -8
That is some great history. Dave
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Post by gator on Apr 20, 2012 5:57:11 GMT -8
Those things are cool. Wold like to see one up close.
Gator
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Post by ap40rocktruck on Apr 20, 2012 6:05:32 GMT -8
Hark i hear the call of another model topic....
Great information William,
Thank you for sharing.
Ap40
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Post by shayloco on May 17, 2012 7:33:36 GMT -8
Actually, the top photo is not a Shay, it is a Willamette, shop #-14 and is a copy of the Lima Shays.
The photos of "Babe" are nice but they are not the 'first' Shay ever built, which was in 1880. Babe was built in 1901 or later, 20-years after Lima built the first Shay.
Ephraim Shay shared his design of a geared locomotive with Lima in late 1879 when they rebuilt his homemade locomotive he had been working on since c1876 and then he obtained the Patten in 1881. Lima never built a new locomotive for Ephraim Shay and 'Babe' was one of three built in his Harbor Springs Railroad shops, sometime after 1901. By that time, Lima was working on Shay sn-625.
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Post by Muleskinner on May 17, 2012 8:34:46 GMT -8
Actually, the top photo is not a Shay, it is a Willamette, shop #-14 and is a copy of the Lima Shays. The photos of "Babe" are nice but they are not the 'first' Shay ever built, which was in 1880. Babe was built in 1901 or later, 20-years after Lima built the first Shay. Ephraim Shay shared his design of a geared locomotive with Lima in late 1879 when they rebuilt his homemade locomotive he had been working on since c1876 and then he obtained the Patten in 1881. Lima never built a new locomotive for Ephraim Shay and 'Babe' was one of three built in his Harbor Springs Railroad shops, sometime after 1901. By that time, Lima was working on Shay sn-625. Thanks for the correction. I was wondering about Baby because there was another short article I read where there was supposed to be a smaller unit here onj the west coast which was older, but I have yet to find it in any references and i am just taking it a an old tale which someone repeated. Yes the top one is a Willamette not a lima build. I stnd corrected.
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Post by shayloco on May 17, 2012 8:51:07 GMT -8
Do you know the source of the three photos of Babe? I have seen many shots of Babe but never these three.
Thank you.
I'll have to dig them out. But I know I still have them, somewhere in all my logging pictures.
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Post by shaylocorick on Sept 23, 2014 14:59:56 GMT -8
Actually, the top photo is not a Shay, it is a Willamette, shop #-14 and is a copy of the Lima Shays. The photos of "Babe" are nice but they are not the 'first' Shay ever built, which was in 1880. Babe was built in 1901 or later, 20-years after Lima built the first Shay. Ephraim Shay shared his design of a geared locomotive with Lima in late 1879 when they rebuilt his homemade locomotive he had been working on since c1876 and then he obtained the Patten in 1881. Lima never built a new locomotive for Ephraim Shay and 'Babe' was one of three built in his Harbor Springs Railroad shops, sometime after 1901. By that time, Lima was working on Shay sn-625. Thanks for the correction. I was wondering about Baby because there was another short article I read where there was supposed to be a smaller unit here onj the west coast which was older, but I have yet to find it in any references and i am just taking it a an old tale which someone repeated. Yes the top one is a Willamette not a lima build. I stnd corrected. Can you email me direct shayloco@twlakes.net so I can get more information on the BABY Shay in the photos? Turns out after more research it was built by Ephraim c1893 and that is his son Lette with his infant daughter. Still trying to find the source of the photos. Thank you, Rick Henderson ShayLocomotives.com
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